The Cold Calling Cult

It’s a cold Wednesday in October and I’m watching Batman Forever in a whitewashed room with twelve other candidates, waiting to be called.

What followed was a mercifully short interview and a day of tailing a fresh faced 19 year old (apparently a ‘top associate’) as he explained that the Events Assistant job I had applied for was in fact door-to-door marketing. After about eight exhausting hours, I found myself signing a piece of paper and setting my alarm for the following morning.

Each day started with being stuffed into ‘Atmosphere’, a barren room with little ventilation and far too many whiteboards. We’d perform 90’s team-building exercises, such as group huddles and shouting shoddy acronyms, all while sharing tactics to ‘maximise territory’. Our office manager, David, then graced us with his presence, sporting a pair of highly polished (and surprisingly distracting) shoes. Anyone with a respectable number of sales the previous day would get enthusiastic high-fives accompanied by a lengthy motivational speech. In turn, each of us reached for the Kool Aid.
’What time is it?’, asked David.
‘Show time’, we hypnotically replied.

These mornings served to develop a particular mindset. Sales became a blacklisted word. Focus instead was put on ‘the field’ as a training ground to perfect our people skills. Those who expressed doubt were deemed ‘losers’ – lazy, unambitious and generally inadequate. When people did quit it was with shame and disappointment, believing that their financial loss was their own making.

After one or two hours of travelling our team would end up in a remote residential area. We’d split up and go door-to-door selling services until as late as 7pm. Most houses were empty and those that weren’t were rarely interested. I’d make an average of three sales per day, on paper £30, but I never saw any of it.

Everyone made small talk and exchanged rumours. One team member, affectionately dubbed ‘condom’, told us how the manager of the ADT security campaign couldn’t speak a word of English when she had started just five months prior. Another claimed our manager used to be a cleaner. The rumours were incredible and even ludicrous, but they had the strange effect of legitimising the whole enterprise. Anything was possible if we were willing to put in the time. There was a cult-like atmosphere, where peer pressure and promises of money played on greed and the fear of missing out. Ironically, these were the very selling tactics taught to us.

Occasionally managers would throw in a free meal or the odd breakfast for the Crew Leaders. Every few months a selection of people would be labeled ‘Rising Stars’ and they’d attend a ‘business conference’ at a hotel, which sounded more like a frat party. A small price to pay to sustain the free labour.

About a month after starting I found out about the The Cobra Group and immediately quit. I ran home with my tail between my legs, facing the I-told-you-so looks from close friends and family before licking my wounds and beginning my job-hunt anew. Although there were plenty of tough times, there were also laughs and banter, and I did build up some rather impressive leg muscles.

The heart of what makes the job so appealing is the ‘fast-track management progression’ system, wherein supposedly 9–12 months after signing on the dotted line you’d be raking in close to £90,000. Only 1% of employees ever make it that far, but none of us were aware of this at the time.1 Each day we worked for free. Many stay for years before the penny drops.2

The scheme is designed to get as much free or cheap labour as possible, typically targeting the young and impressionable. There are hundreds scattered all over the world, with thousands of victims taking to scam exposure websites, blogs, comments, forums and Facebook to vent. 3

The Puppeteers

DS-MAX Descendant companies

DS-MAX Descendant companies: Appco Group, The Smart Circle, Cydcor, Innovage and others.

Since 2006 the ones pulling the strings are the descendant companies of DS-Max. The setup involves helping a member set up their own limited company, which eventually generates a new manager that in turn sets up their own company – and so on. Each of these give a handsome cut of their profits to their descendant company to gain a share of their clients. This simple formula generates ever-increasing profits with little input from the descendant company themselves.

Astonishingly, although the business practices they employ are considered misrepresentative and deceptive, these companies still remain legal since their ‘salespeople’ are self-employed. 4 To top it off, the entire setup doesn’t qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme as money isn’t generated from internal sign-up fees.

Job Seekers Take Note!

Photo of a STOP sign

Run Like the Wind if:

  1. They want you to start immediately, provide full training, and offer earnings close to £250–500 ($400-800) per week.
  2. They contact you within hours after you apply. Many are interviewed – the more through the door the better.
  3. There is a four step ‘business progression’ which takes 9–18 months to complete. You’d (theoretically) move from Field Representative to Team Leader to Assistant Manager/Owner to Manager/Owner. The last stage is where you’d earn the big bucks.
  4. You are required to sign an Agreement that states you are not associated with the company and that the role is 100% commission based. You are told that you are ‘self employed’ and need to pay for all expenses.
  5. You hear the chant JUICE, DS-Max’s slogan (‘Join Us In Creating Excitement’). The term ‘Law of Averages’ should also set off alarm bells.
  6. Your days consist of morning teachings with music blaring, a talk by a manager and 8–10 hours of door-to-door selling. Most of your waking hours are spent slaving away.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Use your common sense. Don’t be naive like I was.5

Footnotes

1. Obtained from Scam Exposure article "Primus UK".Back to top
2. For example this guythis one and this one.Back to top
3. See 'People Venting' Section of ReferencesBack to top
4. This loophole has come to the attention of GMB, who has taken court action since "workers on "Commission"...must still be paid at least the national minimum wage." See this article.Back to top
5. The specific company that I became associated with was Corner Rock Ltd, Company reg no: 08385378. It currently trades under the name RedRock Acquisitions, and is located at Unit 8, Floor Three, Cumbrian House, 217 Marsh Wall, Poplar, London E14 9FJ. It is connected to Blue Ocean Outsource Ltd, Company Reg no: 08437993 which now trades under the name Kreative Client SolutionsBack to top

Disclaimer. This site is based on my personal experience and information obtained from my references (click for full list).

Comments

  1. Lovell Gill says:

    I am experiencing allmost everything people have written about. This job is worthless to start with. Everything written in the article and the comments is so true. I have been working as a door to door salesperson from 1 and a half month now. Have just earned $350. I have been waiting to be paid for my other deals as well but I don’t know if I will be paid or not. Even right now I am supposed to be knocking doors. But I am tired of doing that….of working so long so hard and not making even minimum wage. Big promises are made that you can make $1000 per week and stuff but come on ? Do you really think so ?….I am glad I googled if it’s really worth it…atleast I found other stories so relatable to mine.
    Don’t settle guys, let’s keep moving and find better jobs. I know all of us will get one.
    Best wishes and kind regards.

  2. xSolidSnake86 says:

    Just found this article. I’ve got a job with a company called Economy Energy which starts today in a few hours. I have a bad feeling about it. In the interview, the guy barely asked me questions… only 2 very basic questions that’s all. He was doing all the talking, selling me the job. Saying on average I’ll make 2k a month. In 1 month I can potentially become a leader. At 3 months, a regional manager earning 50k. There was a young teen girl being interviewed right behind me… I guarantee she also got the job too. The interviews were conducted at a hotel in the front desk reception area at the main doors.

    It just so happens to be a shady company rated at 1.5 stars out of 5. It’s all negative customer reviews. On the other hand, managed to find 3 ex employee and 1 current employee salaries on the Indeed job app. They all had good money, stating between £600 and £700 per week. So I’m on the fence about it. I don’t know if I should turn up and give it a chance. The training is in a hotel conference room. The money stated above wets my tongue, I need money.

    I also read of a random guy who’s worked as a door-to-door energy sales trader for 12 years saying he’s made tonnes of money, and one year he made 80k! I’m shocked! Like how is that possible?

    Should I go for it? It seems costly with public transport travel expenses, eating out, weekly dry cleaning to maintain my beautiful suits.

    Also where do I go if I need to use a washroom? Go number 1 and 2 on a streat corner like a dog?… only to get caught on cctv, uploaded to the internet on Ladbible, made fun of, and even arrested and fined? Lol what kind of life is this to live?

    The money though, like what if ya know? What if it turns out to be lost opportunity for me if I don’t go for it?

    1. Stevie says:

      Very late reply, but the job that you have just described, sounds excactly like the job I am supposed to be starting tomorrow.

      Immediate start, morning training, loud suits, promise of large earnings etc

      Did you decide on taking the job?
      The job I have been offered is even from the same website.

  3. Munibullah Khan says:

    WOW!
    I was part of Cydcor from Sept 2001 to May 2003, after graduating from college in May 2001.
    Started with the company at ‘Cambridge Communications’ in Long Island NY and moved with them to ARC Advertising in Houston and Dallas TX.

    I was good at sales initially and even better at training others, but eventually the lifestyle and low income sucked all the energy out of me (how long can you survive on Ramen?).
    Knowing that I wasn’t an American citizen and had no where to go, my Manager did not kick me out as my sales fell (even though word around the office was that I was a ‘gimmel’ – DS-Max lingo for looser) – however, my work permit expired and I was unable to get an H1-B visa as they are not issued on commission only jobs.

    I eventually had to leave the US as an illegal resident and stand very little chance of being issued a US visa ever again.

    I don’t blame Cydcor or DS-Max, it was my own gullibility, lack of knowledge, and greed that allowed me to get scammed.
    Some of the ‘system’ teachings have been very helpful in my eventual career as a banker and a Learning & Development professional.

    Sales will always be a high turnover occupation, and not everyone will have the aptitude or inclination to stick with it till they get to manager. Managers do influence their individual offices, and I did see a few who chose to run their offices scrupulously (Jimmy Rothermel comes to mind).

    For DS-Max’s sake, here’s some advice on improving practices:
    1. Establish a centralized HR Division, and comply with local Labor laws
    2. Establish a centralized Legal Division, to advise on legal compliance
    3. Stop lying about ‘marketing’ and tell people you’re a Sales company
    4. Provide minimum wage pay, plus a reduced commission structure
    5. Do tell new recruits that less than 1% of people will ever make it to Manager, it will build a sense of competition without the misdirection.

    Honestly, if the company had taken a few steps towards establishing themselves as a conventional corporation after the first or second generation of leaders, they might have been the most talked about sales firm out there right now. Sadly, they went the shady route and continue to mislead – I fear it will all end with IRS or FBI cracking down one day.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Add atlas outsourcing to the list too ! I’ve been in the similar situation I’m glad I only lasted a day!

  5. Adam Woolsey says:

    I very recently started at a branch of this company in Liverpool. So recently that I have not even completed my training and am not badged to sell yet. I today agreed to go on one of their ‘road trips’ via coach which the company said they would book.

    Having read into these sorts of companies on here I have changed my mind and no longer wish to work there.

    I seek advise as to my legal rights at this point, as I am nervous about quitting. I do not believe I have signed any formal contract, I have not given over any bank details, national insurance figures or personal identification documents or photographs; I have only given basic CV contact details

    Even if the company has booked a coach for my place on a road trip am I within my right to send an email informing them I will no longer be working for them without fear of facing harassment of compensating them for cost of transport/anything else

    Having heard so much about these companies I want to know as much as I can about my position incase they try to con me anymore or claim I owe them for the cost of the coach etc. Any help/advice would be massively appreciated

    1. Undisclosed says:

      Hi Adam,

      I’m an investigative reporter and masters student at City U. London. I’m doing a piece on door to door sales scams, please get in touch if you’re interested in sharing your story!

      You can reach me at investigativetips123@gmail.com.

  6. p says:

    my son has just been through the interview / field day process. they promised large salary and easy money once you climb the pyramid.
    thankfully he had declined their offer.

  7. Jose says:

    New Jersey, newark company called major energy supplier is doing exactly what I read tho the money is good I really feel like we are scamming customers idk first time doing this they hired me same day with two days training and I started on the field the next day with a rep , leader n my field assistant manager . We went from building to building door to door on low income neighborhoods majority black n Latino communities with deals done here n ther . EVery day at 10-12 pep talk about L.O.A n juice don’t ask & don’t tell motto I can’t believe this shyt its krazy as fuk how I’m reading this shyt I’m going thro we get paid thro a fast cash card all I can say is dat I make money tho dat has never been a problem but still it feels wrong …..

  8. Anno says:

    Just discovered this page and I’ve been reading all the recent comments I’ve been with one of these companies over the last 3 weeks and yesterday I just received my first pay which I was quite worried about receiving but as promised I would be paid on the sales I did, guess what I actually got paid 🙂 I made 345 quid in my first week..sky is the limit, so far with the company they have taught me so much, I am a graduate and I think if you approach this with an open mind and you are determined enough you could make quite a bit of money. Yes it might not be easy and yes you might see it as a scam or pyramid scheme but personally I think that’s just down to a bad experience. I think if you are explained how the company works and the manager is completely transparent with you, then I think sites like this wouldn’t exist
    It’s a shame no one speaks about the good points

    1. Marcus says:

      Sounds good what’s it called?

    2. You made £345 in your first week? Haha sure you did, I can’t believe you slimy maggots are actually searching the internet for websites/blogs that reveal the truth about these companies and try to defend them. They will even leave fake 5 star reviews on employer review websites.

      1. LoveLife says:

        Some of us ‘slimy maggots’ end up on sites like this because we love sales and can’t help but speak up to people like yourself. You people are why legit companies have such bad reviews. People like you get your panties in a wad and cry foul for no actual reason.

    3. Undisclosed says:

      Hi Anno,

      I’m an investigative reporter and masters student at City U. London. I’m doing a piece on door to door sales scams, please get in touch if you’re interested in sharing your story!

      You can reach me at investigativetips123@gmail.com.

  9. Brainwashed says:

    Hi everyone! I worked in this sort of company for a full year before I started reading blogs like this. If anyone would like any information on this company, their procedures or any companies affiliated, please comment and I’ll help as much as I can.
    It took me a long time to realise what I was working for, so as much as I wasted a year of my life I also have a lot of information that might be helpful if you’re looking at this thread!
    More information can be found if you search for devilcorp.
    Good luck on the job search everyone! 🙂

    1. Undisclosed says:

      Hi “Brainwashed”,

      I’m an investigative reporter and masters student at City U. London. I’m doing a piece on door to door sales scams, please get in touch if you’re interested in sharing your story!

      You can reach me at investigativetips123@gmail.com.

  10. boaconic says:

    Do you guys think it’s possible to do door to door sales ethically at all? Check out this poll – thoughts?
    https://reviewedbyconsensus.com/forums/thread/is-selling-door-to-door-to-ethical-or-telemarketing

  11. Patrick says:

    Hi everyone commenting here, i am glad to find a platform like this. I had a terrible experience with ACQUIRO22 (www.acquiro22.com). There are this couple Vinny Pant and Maria Parker. Very horrible girl. I was made to sign a contract in a company’s name but when i was due to be paid there were all sort of excuses and had to speak some guy call James i hardly met. Then i was been paid through Vinny Pant personal account. Which i can only assume he’s trying to dodge the taxman. Can you guys add ACQUIRO 22 to this list please

  12. reecebest says:

    This is incredible! Could not be more accurate; the months for supposed progression, pay structure, order of the day and even JUICE and L.O.A!

  13. Realist says:

    Thank you for this website. I almost got suckered into one of these gigs. I was wondering why I kept seeing the same job description for a couple of companies all offering the same road to the top with no experience required. I checked Glassdoor and this site and the modus operandi is identical. Phone call within a few hours of application, immediate interview, etc. I’m in a tough spot trying to find work but this would have been even worse for me if I had gone. Please note in Utah companies doing this are Sol Legacy Consulting and Millennium Business Concepts. Both have identical job postings on Glassdoor, Ziprecruiter, Monster, etc.

  14. sandra says:

    had the same experience, for anyone who lives in Sydney beware of 33 foster street , Surry hills!

  15. Ankit Goswami says:

    These are modern day and more of a corporates who worship devil i.e. money in this case. They least care about the youth and their career. I want to add few points:
    – Here in Pune, these people are entering various societies without taking any prior permission from the municipal corporation and chairman of the society. These people are making youth trespasser criminals as they use the method of gate crushing. They teach you the same in the morning learning session with distracting music to add to the creepiness.
    – They say charity organizations giving them money for raising funds for them. But no one actually knows the truth. But lets use common sense,the money we collect from the innocent people, which they think is going for the charity is divided into commission of sales, commission oh his team leader, and it goes like that up in the hierarchy and also penny goes to the charity organizations.

    1. Ankit Goswami says:

      modern day culprits*
      the money they collect*

  16. Vinnie Faggio says:

    A similar scam is operating in Pittsburgh, PA under the name(s) Iron City Executives, Steel City Executives, and Dimensions Marketing. The woman who is perpetrating this scam is named Hilary Thurmond. Please, if you’ve been approached by these people, do NOT fall into the trap that they’ve laid for you. Continue your job search a bit wiser to the ways that people will try to take advantage of you.

  17. employtuk says:

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  18. Vincent says:

    This one is lengthy, but here it goes. I ALMOST fell for such a scam about 3 weeks ago here in Fayetteville, NC. The scam artists are located on N. Reilly Rd, across from the Food Lion. My current job that im still trying to get out of cut back our hours, stopped overtime, and cut back positions during the summer time, so needless to say, we weren’t making very much since, and are grossly underpaid as it is given our job and what we deal with. Hurricane Matthew, and my car getting ruined in a hit and run the day after hit my account hard. By the thousands even with insurance for other stuff as well. So months later after applying for over 50 jobs and still no replies, I come across one of these on Craigslist. An “expanding company” promising $525-$1200 a week. It was under general laborer. No experience necessary, immediate hire, and only 8 positions left.

    Me being naive and not being aware of employment scams, out of desperation and excitement given my predicament, and not thinking clearly, I called the number asking for more details because the ad was very vague. All the woman said was that they were hiring from janitorial – managerial positions. Looking for something in between, I seized the opportunity and went first thing after work for the interview. While filling out their application, one of the individuals who was supposedly the manager walked in wearing a cheap suit while wearing gauges in his ears. I found it unprofessional looking, but overlooked it. He spoke of how they needed drivers for their job, which I was willing to do given what they were paying. After finishing the application I sat down for the interview where a very attractive woman (the same who answered the phone) enthusiasticly began talking to me about Kirby vacuums which I wasn’t familiar with. First red flag was when she said it was door to door sales. That wasn’t what I came in for, and was completely different from what I read on the ad. I was expecting and thinking it would be some type of construction job.

    Second red flag was when she spoke about how some NASA scientist invented the vacuum, and was pretty much selling me the job and how much money I can make, instead of me selling myself. I let her finish her rambling, when all of a sudden she was saying things “too good to be true”

    3rd red flag! That I would be an independent contractor, with the option of working Saturdays if I wished. Sounded good until she said that my 2 days of training would be unpaid. MY TIME IS NEVER FREE, but the money she said I can bring in sounded attractive. Afterwards I left with more questions than answers. Just to make sure I was making the right decision, I did my research, and found a lot of negative reviews about Kirby vacuum door to door salesmen. From both employees, and customers alike. Complaints of over aggressive tactics by the salesman, salesman not getting paid after working almost 80 hour weeks, or getting paid just $300 in 2 months because of managers making excuses for why, such as customers having bad credit, etc

    Given this newfound info, I immediately went back and confronted her just before she left for the day. She played it off well. Either she was aware, and controlled herself, or she really didn’t know and was ignorant of it all. I’m going with the first. From there I calmly explained that I don’t mind working, even for long hours, but that my time is never free and that I expect payment. Even if I don’t make the impossible 15 presentations for the week (which they know is not achievable so they can avoid paying the $525), and I did 14 or even just 1, I expect payment for my work and labor and won’t sign anything stating otherwise. Especially given my situation, I didn’t have time or money to waste. She said I can come back the next day which was my day off and see how I liked it and that the manager can answer all my questions.

    Of course I didn’t show! I already had all the answers I needed online, and they were all the same! Even in different states and countries, all the stories were similar. I’ll be damned if I get driven 2 hours away starting at 9AM, and not come back until possibly midnight for free. It’s a good thing I did my research, because until the interview, I was ready to quit my job on the spot without notice out of excitement. Still doesn’t pay much, but at least I get guaranteed pay for my 40 hours a week. What they’re doing is predatory in that it preys on desperate people needing jobs, and on those ignorant of such scams. It’s just a legal way of using free, or cheap slave labor, and something should be done

  19. Kyle says:

    BPA- Known as Bisphenol A. A chemical compound that may cause harm.

    B.P.A- Known as Better Advertising Professionals. A marketing firm that may sell cable boxes, but sure sounds allot like these other business scams.

  20. Shannon Wilkinson says:

    Looking back 25 years… I started with an affiliate of WWI in April 1990 in Edmonton, Alberta Canada in what was then known as the books division. I had just turned 20. Yes, all the hype, morning raw raw sessions, long hours, no guarantee of $ is /was true. What is /was also true was the focus on building and maintaining a positive attitude for all you face in life, goal setting, strong work ethic and commitment in order to achieve success. Ask anyone who has started their own business of any type and they’ll tell you these are fundamental skills for success in business and life.

    In 1990 I had just finished a business program at NAIT, didn’t have any $, wanted to get out from living with my parents and wanted to be successful. I too was told that with hard work I could have my own business with $250,000 in inventory that would be provided on consignment. I was very intrigued. I did the day training and by the afternoon was doing the sales work for my trainer. I found the work fun, I liked the freedom, and I did well making $400 cash my first week. The products I sold were top name books from Disney, cookbooks from well known chefs, etc. It was good product at good prices.

    The Canadian prairies offer up some of the coldest winters on earth and I was determined to have my own operation before winter hit in October /November. 6 months they said… Those 6 months were some of the hardest working months I’ve ever put in. There was lots of fun, new friends, hope and oppty. There was lots of Bullshit, tough times with little money, less than ethical leadership, and lots of negative attitudes all around me from friends and family. I was determined to succeed and I did and in the last week ofOctober 1990 I opened my own office in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Focused on my goal, did whatever I had to, achieved my goal. The first snowfall hit the week after I opened my office.

    For the next 2 years I was the guy running interviews with 30 plus people a day, stereo blasting, partying every night, walking around with a briefcase full of cash, and trying my best to lead others to the same success. By June 1992 I had $100,000 in my bank account and I expanded my operations to Vancouver Canada. Timing was not good. I invested in the move, office set up, and took 6 of my best up and comers with me. Timing was terrible. The parent company WWI ran into problems getting inventory for a variety of reasons and I was left with little to sell. The marketing agreement with WWI didn’t allow me to source product from any other supplier. In order to keep my team committed I paid them out of my pocket, paid rent, and kept the good times rolling. By September, the summer was over, I was down $50k, my team lost faith and headed back to Manitoba. I lost sight of the core principles of success that I preached so much and gave up. I shut down my operations, and walked out with my last $50k.

    Larry Tenambaum requested a meeting with me shortly after I quit. I met with him and basically he wanted to know why I quit. I told him the story and he just gave me the so what. Tough times, there’s good and bad, stay committed and you’ll get through it. At that point, looking back, all the partying had taken its toll. I had become angry, lost my drive and had given up in more than just the business. I walked away.

    The first year following was tough and I basically blew through the last or my $. I was behaving like idiot and making stupid decisions. By end of 1993 I was broke and at that point made a decision to get my life back on track. I didn’t go back to WWI but I took all the principles of success that I had learned and started applying them to my life again. It wasn’t as easy the second time around but in the 25 years that have followed I have started several businesses some relatively successful, some not. In one I lost $250,000 but I never allowed myself to quit again. I’m 46 now and I still live in Vancouver. I’m happily married for 20 years with a family. I’m a millionaire and still working hard to achieve my goals.

    Is The WWII /DS Mac oppty for everyone? No way. Is it a scam? No it is not. Like anything in life if you want something bad enough and you’re willing to work for it, you’ll eventually succeed. If you want it easy and look to others for your reasons not to succeed then you’ll see this organization in negative light.

    For all the ups and downs the most important skills I learned from the experience with WWI was attitude, work ethic and perseverance. Without this being ingrained into me I believe my life would have turned out a whole lot worse. I for one am thankful for my experience with WWI and feel blessed to have had the opportunity. It brought out the best in me, the worst in me, but gave a foundation from which I built a success life.

    Looking back 25 years, I just want to say thank you to Larry Tenambaum and Avie Roth.

    1. Lewis says:

      I never worked for any of these companies but started my own with the same principles. Bottom line is this…. the skills you will develop with this kind of training will serve you well for the rest of your life. You will certainly be more successful at life if you embrace straight commission sales and actually work harder than is reasonable and learn to sell and to lead others. The skills you develop by taking any position are worth more than the money earned.

      The men and women who have stuck with it in these enterprises and perserverred through thick and thin are awesome, amazing people and most look back in these experiences as the most valuable training they ever received.
      I have no degree, barely graduated high school, my wife has never needed to work and I live in a 6000 sf house with an indoor pool. One reason…… because I learned how to sell door to door. Stop whining and get busy knocking!

    2. Troy Gentry says:

      This sounds accurate. I started with an advertising office in 1997, was promoted out in a year to run my own office. I always made money but I did work all the time. Got out in in 2000, started my own business and within 2 years was making over 100k/year using what I learned at DS Max . Today, I manage millions of dollars and still use what I learned with DS Max. The skills I learned there have served me better than my college degree.

  21. Lewis says:

    P.S.
    I am not endorsing every company that sells door to door. I can tell you there are good plumbers and bad plumbers, good dentists and bad dentists, good lawyers….. well maybe not good lawyers…. anyway, each opportunity should be judged on its own merits. It should not be said that all direct sales opportunities are virtuous or all are scams. Use your judgement and understand that a wise man makes more opportunities than he finds. If you find yourself working in a unethical environment, take your talents and services to a company who believes in the highest and best that direct sales has to offer. They do exist, and if you are serious you will find such an opportunity.

  22. Aw, this was an incredibly good post. Spending some time and actual effort to make a very good article… but what can I say… I hesitate a lot and don’t manage to get nearly anything done.

  23. Truth_police says:

    This video about the workings of Credico is really worth a watch and sharing as widely as possible. Its US focussed but is exactly the same story as what is happening in the UK.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn84yuWSki0

    It features a contibuter to this site who’s involved with a class action in the US. If you know anyone in these ‘cult’ businesses or thinking about applying get them to watch this.

  24. Undisclosed says:

    Hi everyone,

    I’m an investigative reporter and masters student at City U. London. I’m doing a piece on door to door sales scams, please get in touch if you’re interested in sharing your story!

    Please note that in this piece, I’m focusing on door to door sales in the UK.

    You can reach me at investigativetips123@gmail.com.

  25. Undisclosed says:

    Hi,

    I’ve posted quite a few times already (undisclosed / investigativetips123). Sorry if this comes off as spam, I can assure you it’s not. I just need to be careful about revealing my name.

    I’m trying to reach the blog post writer. I would be very interested in including your story. If you’re interested, please get in touch with me.

    Many thanks.

    I’m an investigative reporter and masters student at City U. London. I’m doing a piece on door to door sales scams, please get in touch if you’re interested in sharing your story!

    You can reach me at investigativetips123@gmail.com.

    1. Truth_police says:

      email me mdjw700@gmail.com i got a friend out of one of these cult like organsiations. Also join one as a way of investigating you’ll soon see what its like. I posted the video i reference above to a couple of the companies I know about on facebook and was immediately blocked. they dont like the heat thats for sure in case it puts off recuriment which is the life blood of these places as their turnover is so high.

  26. Some genuinely quality content on this web site , saved to fav.

    1. Truth_police says:

      “one idiot” not sure you’ve looked at the comments at all have you? This and your next comment about attitude show you’ve swallowed the hook these companies use. Tell me how you make serious money from this business other than by recruiting and duping lots of people below you who will never make it however good their attitiude? These companies are examples of capitalism at its worst the lowest common denominator exploiting people via the loop hole of self employment so you can get away with paying them peanuts. Most people quit because they are impoverished by this scam not beacuse the have the wrong ‘attitude’.

  27. Anthony says:

    The only people that fail in direct selling is the ones that quit..you cant fail in door to door sales if your attitude towards it is right

    1. Suzanne says:

      Wow. Brainwashed af. Sorry but you’re not even able to create your own original comment, you’re basically quoting every single owner of those companies.

  28. I am very sorry to all of you who experienced the woes of working for an undeserving door to door marketing company. Fortunately, when I was 20 years old I was approached and turned a pest control job down only to go out for a summer when I turned 21. With no experience, Aptive Environmental trained, housed, and transported me through the best summer of my life where I made more than $22k in just three months before my senior year of college. Door To Door is not a scam for free labour. It is an opportunity to make more as a hard worker than the typical hourly wage. Frankly, in my division in my first summer the average age of our reps was 19 years old, and the average pay for the summer was $13,500… so over $4k a month for a bunch of college kids at UNCW. If you’ve experienced a rough summer or you’re reading this article searching for “the truth” about door to door, you can reply here for a real story about modern day door to door in America.

  29. thank you for the tips..very helpful

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